YinkahdinaySpeaking My Native Language
About this Entry
Posted by: yinkahdinay

Visit yinkahdinay's Xanga Site

Original: 2/8/2008 9:26 AM
Views: 589
Comments: 13
eProps: 16

Read Comments
Post a Comment
Back to Your Xanga Site



Friday, February 08, 2008

News from the Netherlands

 Those of you who can read Dutch will find this article from Nederlands Dagblad interesting.  This is an interview with Dr. George Harinck, professor at the Theological University in Kampen.  For those of you who can't read Dutch, here are a few excerpts in English (translated by a colleague):

Of course, homosexuality is in my circle a controversial issue, but I'm absolutely not negative about it.The way I see it, it is much more determined by the fact that my youngest brother is homosexual. I don't believe at all that it is a sickness. There have always been homosexuals and I don't think that is a problem. Friendships between men: very good.
 
I'm not getting involved in those discussions about a biblical prohibition. All that analysing, that is not my style. Relations? No problem. And those well known texts, they are all about specific situations. About licentiousness and those kinds of things. That is the same with those texts about women, that are constantly used in discussions about women in the office. I can't do anything with that. That is nonsense. Women in office, that is something that should have happened already yesterday.

[...]

I also have great sympathy with the Roman Catholic Church. I don't think it is a problem if Reformed people participate in the mass if it comes to pass. Of course, there are differences, but those are relative. What attracts me there is the stilled mystery. Yes, maybe there are people who are shocked by the thought that a liberated professor would participate in the mass. Oh well, maybe it happened in the past as well, but they didn't say it aloud. In the past, the professors from Kampen were much more people who were in a position that they were examples, who showed leadership. Now, being professor is more a job.


[...]

God has a thousand sides and therefore - to get to know Him - we read the Bible. Not to gather information, but to build a relation. I think it is immature, childish so to say, to thumb through the Bible for whatever problem. Of course, the Bible has divine authority and is also normative. But not formally. It is not  a book of law. The question if women are allowed in the offices, you can't answer from the Bible. You need Christian sensitivity for that. You have to read  a lot in the Bible to understand God's intention with us. And as I got to know God, I think that it is much more acceptable that the words 'In Christ is male nor female' are decisive in this discussion. I recognize Him in that. He does not distinguish. That is an important motif throughout the Bible. To make distinctions, that is always  related to power. And that is very risky. We've seen too much evil coming from that, in history. No, it is about motives. To learn to distinguish what is important. And we must be weary of all that playning with Bible texts.

[...]

'Without faith in God, I wouldn't be able to live. And God is then, especially the God of the Old Testament, the God of the Psalms. Not so much Jesus Christ. Not that I wipe Him out, of course. But if I think about God, then it is especially God as Father. Of course, Jesus Christ is also God for me. He is not just man and I believe all those Reformed things about Him. But I'm mainly interested in Jesus Christ as God,  dwelling among humans, who is talking with them, who is asking them questions. Of course, I can completely understand Luther's discovery - He did everything for me - , but I can't say that it really  speaks to me.  I don't think: He hung there, or else I should have hung there.

We as Reformed people always said that Christ's suffering was not only on the cross but during his entire life. That He walked among the people and that He had to cry because of all the misery and because of all those people who were sent on the wrong way. For me, Christian faith does not just concentrate on the cross.

It should be noted that Dr. Harinck is a professor at the seminary of our (CanRC) sister churches in the Netherlands.  These are the churches with whom the United Reformed Churches are pursuing deeper ecumenical relations.  The matter is currently under investigation by the seminary.  Further developments (in Dutch) can be found here. 

Let us pray for our brothers and sisters in the Netherlands.  And let's also listen to God's Word:  "So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don't fall!" (1 Cor. 10:12)

Edit:  more on this (in English) can be found here. 
 Posted 2/8/2008 9:26 AM - 589 Views - 16 eProps - 13 comments

Give eProps or Post a Comment

13 Comments

Visit LooktoJesus's Xanga Site!
Sad, but I am glad that you added the text from 1 Cor.10:12.
Posted 2/8/2008 1:06 PM by LooktoJesus Xanga True Member - reply

Visit Rotundus's Xanga Site!
Is that a denominationally-run seminary, or merely one from which a lot of pastors in the denomination in question received their training?
Posted 2/8/2008 3:49 PM by Rotundus - reply

Visit yinkahdinay's Xanga Site!
The TU is operated by the churches. Of course, this illustrates that a church seminary is not immune to heterodoxy.
Posted 2/8/2008 4:02 PM by yinkahdinay Xanga True Member Xanga Premium Member - reply

Visit CalvinVanderlinde's Xanga Site!

Wow, were there any shocking statements that he didn't make? He must not be reading the same Bible as I do.

Posted 2/8/2008 7:25 PM by CalvinVanderlinde - reply

Visit nicolevw's Xanga Site!
Yikes - that is scary.  And he calls himself reformed .....my foot he is!
Posted 2/8/2008 10:44 PM by nicolevw - reply

Visit BradleyMarshallLenzner's Xanga Site!
This man's words are an affront to the Word of God and God himself.

I hope the CanRC as a whole publicly repudiates this man's heterodoxy.

And I hope that the URCNA holds the CanRC's feet to the fire on this one.
Posted 2/9/2008 11:02 AM by BradleyMarshallLenzner Xanga Lifetime Member - reply

Visit yinkahdinay's Xanga Site!
Well, the URCNA is in phase one ecumenical relations with the GKN. So I think we're in this together. Both federations have to hold the GKN accountable. As for the CanRC, our Committee for Relations with Churches Abroad is aware of this issue and is formulating a strategy to address it.
Posted 2/9/2008 11:34 AM by yinkahdinay Xanga True Member Xanga Premium Member - reply

Visit BradleyMarshallLenzner's Xanga Site!
Oh, that's right...I forgot about the URCNA phase one relations.

Even though I am no longer a member in the URCNA, the federation is still near and dear to my heart.

I'll definitely be praying that the Lord would grant the CanRC's Committee for Relations with Churches Abroad wisdom and winsome boldness in the defense of the Gospel. I pray the same for the URCNA as well.

Are you on the CanRC Committee for Relations with Churches Abroad?
Posted 2/9/2008 12:23 PM by BradleyMarshallLenzner Xanga Lifetime Member - reply

Visit yinkahdinay's Xanga Site!
No, I'm not on the CRCA, but my co-pastor is.
Posted 2/9/2008 1:04 PM by yinkahdinay Xanga True Member Xanga Premium Member - reply

Visit Musica_Ecclesia's Xanga Site!
Things have already been cleared up. The board of the University and Dr. Harinck have discussed the brief comments in his interview and put some context around it in a public statement. The University and Dr. Harinck will continue their relationship in submission to God's Word and in relationship with the reformed confession. The interviewer (1)(2) asked a million different things (about the person of Dr. Harinck) and the interview was not a theological debate... that started when fragments of the interview were published in the newspaper (ND) and the Internet did the rest .
Posted 2/9/2008 2:36 PM by Musica_Ecclesia Xanga Premium Member - reply

Visit yinkahdinay's Xanga Site!
I posted an English translation. Readers can judge for themselves. It sounds like a whitewash to me. People in the CRC and Synodical churches also claim/claimed to be "in submission to God's Word and in relationship with the Reformed confession." Theological liberals will say all the right words -- they just change the meanings.
Posted 2/9/2008 3:18 PM by yinkahdinay Xanga True Member Xanga Premium Member - reply

Visit dsgvp's Xanga Site!
The "statement" doesn't clear matters up at all. Can we really be happy about a statement, coming from a Reformed Theological Academy, that says it's ok to worship once in awhile in a RCC, as long as you don't go to the rail to take communion? Whether or not you go to the rail is of little consequence once you have decided to worship God under RC liturgy.
Posted 2/10/2008 2:06 PM by dsgvp - reply

Visit Krumholz's Xanga Site!
That's rather alarming.
Posted 2/10/2008 8:27 PM by Krumholz - reply


Give eProps (?)
Post a Comment
Add Link | Preview HTML comment help 
Profile Pic:
Default  |  Choose »  (?)



Back to yinkahdinay's Xanga Site!
Note: your comment will appear in yinkahdinay's local time zone:
GMT -08:00 (Pacific Standard - US, Canada)
Locations of visitors to this page